tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC July 9, 2015 8:00pm-9:01pm PDT
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>> good evening from york. i'm chris hayes. tonight is the last night that the confederate battle flag will fly above the grounds of the carolina state capital. after a last ditch attempt by house members to preserve the status quo, resulting in an intense and impassioned floor debate lasting into the night governor haley signed the law today. take the flag down from the state grounds and put it in a nearby museum. >> tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m., we will see the confederate flag come down. we are a state that believes in tradition. we're a state that believes in history. we're a state that believes in respect. so we will bring it down with dignity and we will make sure carolina senate two days ago amid outrage and grief over a massacre at emanuel amy carried out by white supreme sis to embrace the flag, it looked like it was on its way to a pretty easy victory in the house. last night a group of strategy
to delay the bill indefinitely. over the course of a 14-hour confederate emblem to turning the u., any of which would have forced into a e sena version, could have lasted for weeks, legislative death by amendment. as they continued to bring forward one by one, the floor debate turned emotional. >> i can't build a important than them. respectfully and truthfully i can't go home and tell them that the flag was more important than their feelings, their hurt, their pain, their anguish. >> that flag that stands outside has stood as a thumb in the eye of those families in charleston who lost loved ones. we all know it. >> i cannot believe that we do not have the heart in this body to do something meaningful such
as take a symbol of hate off these grounds on friday. >> at one point in a rare moment revealed the raw political motives behind their obstruction. >> some of us need some help in our districts on this issue. that flag needs to come down. however, we're not asking for a whole lot, and i think this is probably one of the more mild amendments we've put up, but something to take home, too. >> joining me now nbc national correspondent on the scene for the entire debate, phenomenal reporting. i was riveted to my smartphone watching the whole thing. it was fantastic work. excellent, amazing work. >> thank you. >> that moment i learned, because of a tweet of yours, said so much to me. it was one of those rare moments
when the kind of facade said, look, we've got people mad about this, we've got to go give them something. >> reporter: absolutely. chris, thank you very much. that's very kind. live tweeting parliamentary procedure is kind of my dream, so my dream came true last night. it w an education for those that haven't witnessed the parliamentary process. what was interesting about the their strategy was first of all let republican talk. they did not attempt cloture. a guy by himself michael pits proposed 54 amendments, drew 27. every time it got to the regular bill, he would put forward 10 more amendments, it was a filibuster. democrats let them talk it out. first eight hours of debate, much more about republicans talking about their heritage and how important the flag was to them. then behind the scenes democrats were trying to cobble together enough votes to get it is clean
bill through. when they fell short of that three votes, when they came within three votes of getting the bill through, that's when you saw the epic moment d everybody was talking about it, when jenny horne, a descendant of the person who would have been the president of the confederacy, jefferson she was frustrated and aggravated. that's when you started to see things change. wait a minute, if horne is with us, we might have something here.endment that passed would have sunk the bill of the senate made it clear, no amendments period. >> this is what was so fascinating about this. there was this conventional wisdom after nikki haley's announcement, the horror of the massacre in charleston, the bill passed senate, fait accompli, coming down, what you saw in realtime, there's a reason that thing is still up. there a reason when they had this battle in 2000 that was the compromise.
there are people that want to see that thing stay up and auto you got to see that resistant last night in a way that had not been on display really since the massacre in charleston happened. >> absolutely. i spoke with nelson rivers, naacp president at the time, executive director of naacp back in 2000 when they tried to fight the confederate flag on top of the dome. the confederate flag in 1930 was moved inside the chamber, behind the speaker's chair. african-american members that came in the '70s, had to face that flag and see the pledge of allegiance and a lot of them refused to do it. gilda cob hunter, actually the person really rounding up the really leading the strategy behind the scenes and a lot of times on the floor, she used to pledge of allegiance to a flag on her desk to avoid looking at that flag. this is a longtime fight, 15-year boycott from naacp because in 2000 they couldn't get the flag off of that dome -- i mean off of that monument. so what was happening on the republican side is that they needed to go back to their constituents and say, okay,
maybe the flag is coming down. we're going to keep the pole so we can get another flag up there later, switch it for another civil war, another tchotchke, a lot of republicans worried they would go home and get bombarded with angry constituents. if you check nikki haley's facebook page, people on the other side of this issue very angry and disappointed. >> i kept watching it, they call it the lost cause for a reign. it ultimately came about, when he says i've got to bring something back. we are humiliated if we are defeated essentially and we are too proud for that and you've got to see a kind of window in a lot of psychology that's been driving this now for for over 100 years. >> what set off finally democrats came out and expressed disgust when it looked like their moves would fail. they ended up taking an amy republicans attached to a bill, it was starting to get vote, support, they were worried that bill might pass, amendment might pass. they came up with this unique parliamentary idea, which was to
take the language in the amendment and put it in its own bill, own resolution. >> cordon it off. >> here is exactly the language you want in the amendment but it's in this separate measure. vote for that. when republicans wouldn't vote for it, then the game was up. it was clear a lot of republicans just did not wan to get rid of that flag, period, period, period. it really what us a filibuster. that's when you started to see exasperation particularly from african-american members. look, our heritage is that that flag flew in front of a home you had to stay away from an be afraid of they told stories of their family separation through slavery and what that flag meant to them. you started to see democrats get upset. behind the scenes working parliamentary procedure working that compromise.
a clean bill and separate bill with amendment language in it. it's fascinating from a parliamentary, pure parliamentary standpoint and really brilliantly done. >> great work. thank you very much. at some point during the debate in south carolina last night, the outcome truly seemed to rest on a knife's edge would republicans succeed in keeping confederate flag on grounds or for now for the k confirm k to rally around when they convene at the capital next week. around that time, they seemed to be picking confederate flag fight of their own. late last night, a republican from california introduced an amendment to an appropriations bill to department of interior that would allow confederate battle flag to remain on display at cemeteries and grave sights on federal land. after immediate house cry john boehner suspended action saying he didn't want to, quote, turn it into a political football. congressman calvert said gop leadership asked him to propose that very amendment. now, pressing her advantage, house minority leader nancy pelosi put republicans on the spot this afternoon with a
resolution to ban any state flag containing confederate emblem from the u.s. capital. resolution referred to committee where it's expected to die not before house democrats took a page from counter-parts in south ga balancing flag prevailed in war 150 years ago, i would not be standing here today as a member of the united states congress. i would be here as a slave. >> how could you possibly now decide that you would legitimize this symbol of hatred, of slavery, of a bygone era, of a time when people were not even proclaimed to be human beings. >> it's astonishing that the republicans are so out of touch. we cannot allow this shameful decision to hold. take down the flag. >> joining me now congressman al green, democrat from texas. congressman, quite a scene in the capital today. what the heck is going on down there? >> well, it has been quite a day at the capital.th carolina we
had some wonderful things to occur today. the south carolina house of representatives has moved forward and the state itself is now going to take down the confederate flag.ave a similar circumstance but not moving in the same direction. there's a desire, it seems cemeteries. we have a piece of legislation that was amended by 2011 our representatives, representative hoffman and representative jeffries. after they amended this legislation to prohibit the use of these flags at national cemeteries -- and by the way, i think that it's appropriate we not do this -- then there was an amendment to allow the flags to be flown at national cemeteries. and, of course, i would oppose this. i would be more than honored to explain why. i think that jefferson davis -- robert e. lee, excuse me, was correct. he wanted to heal the sores of the civil war.
he was so adamant about this that flags were not flown at his burial. he did not wear his confederate uniform. his daughter said it would have been treasonous to do so. he wanted to heal the sores. south carolina. i thought we should continuing the healing. to do that i think we should not allow the flag to be flown. i think it's a symbol of a bygone era. it's a symbol of slavery. it's a symbol of bigotry and hatred and time for this country to move on and to heal. >> so there was this des putin over whether they would be allowed to fly in national cemeteries on federal lands. there was a voice vote that would ban the practice included in this appropriations bill. republicans slipped an amendment in to say, let's undo that and let them be flown. when that was called attention they pull the whole bill.
my understanding is democrats pulled the event, you're going to pull that bill, we want you to vote on taking down flags here in the u.s. capital that are state flags, like mississippi, for example, that bear the confederate symbol. what's going to happen with that? >> well, our hope is that the privilege resolution will get a hearing. representative thompson of mississippi files such a privilege resolution and followed by nancy pelosi who has a similar privilege resolution. my hope is we'll get a hearing and this will be resolved that this should not continue.s country. that we have is based upon a willingness of people to forgive. we saw it in south carolina when people said i forgive you. you took the life of someone i love but i forgive you. we have forgiven people for the indignation and humiliation of
segregation. we have forgiven for inhumanity associated with slavery and our willingness to forgive should be the means and motive by which we continue to move forward to heal the country. the confederate flag is not a symbol of love. it's not a symbol of liberty and justice for all. i intentionally wore this tie today because this tie has -- is representative of the american flag. it represents the american flag. this is the flag we unite behind. it's the flag we all stand for, liberty and justice for all when we salute it. so we need to move forward. i think we have a seminal moment in time, a unique opportunity to take a quantum leap forward, to do as dr. king said bend the arc of the moral universe toward justice. >> congressman al green, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> still ahead, why jeb bush thinks americans should be working even more hours.
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presidential candidate jeb bush did not just make a gaffe yesterday, it was one of those verbal slip ups that risked branded him with the label out of touch. meeting with new hampshire leader yesterday he talked economic growth. quote, my aspiration for the country is 4% growth as far as the eye can see, which means we have to be a lot more productive. workforce participation has to rise from its all-time modern lows. it means people have to work longer hours and through productivity gain more income for their families. that's the only way we're going to get out of this rut we're in. democratic national committee jumped on it gleefully mailing
report to reporters. hillary clinton says, anyone that believes americans aren't working hard enough hasn't met enough american workers. productivity is rising quite a bit year after year while compensation has totally flat lined. bush offered clarification after town hall meeting in new hampshire, he said his comment referred for the need for part-time workers to achieve full-time work. >> i think people want to work hard tore have more money in their own pockets, not to be dependent on government. you can take it out of context all you want. high sustained growth means people worked 40 hours rather than 30 hours and that by our success they have money, disposable income for their families to decide how they want to spend it rather than getting in line. >> joining me now, thank you, i'm going to play devil's advocate for jeb bush here. can you interpret what he said as a comment in the way it's sort of listed in the things
he's talking about, as a comment about the fact there's a certain segment of the population who are involuntarily working part-time jobs and part of achieving the growth rate he wants to achieve is for those folks to have opportunity to work fulltime, which they would like to do but the current economy is not providing them the opportunity to do. what do you think of that? >> chris, the only problem with that interpretation is part-time workers in america are working more than one job. in fact, a huge number of part time workers are working two or three jobs. when you add up all the hours part-time workers are putting in per worker, you find they are putting in 40, 50, sometimes 60 hours per week. to say, as jeb bush does, he's really only talking about part-time workers who need to work more hours also indicates that he doesn't have a clue what's going on with the american workforce. everybody is working --
everybody i meet is working as hard as they can. most people who are working in service jobs are working harder than they have ever worked. we still do have an unemployment problem. certainly we need more jobs. but the core problem is wages. the core problem is people are not earning enough. that's why they are working all the hours they are working. >> in fact, this is the great paradox of the modern american economy. it was true before the great crash. it's been particularly exacerbated after the great crash, productivity wages have completely become detached from each other. you used to make 60 widgets an hour for your boss, now 65 widgets an hour. you're not seeing that improvement in the money you're taking home. >> that's right. people are working harder than ever. yet the money and productivity they are generating, most of it is going to the top. this is a big change from what we had in the first three decades after the second world war when there was a direct relationship between what people
earned and how productive they were. then around the time ronald reagan was president, wages flattened out, adjusted for inflation, productivity continued to go up. for jeb bush, all the same bush- nomics, to say people need to work hard to improve productivity in order to get growth puts on its head exactly what's going on. the real problem is you've had growth, productivity, none of that has trick he would down to average workers. >> i also wonder about this idea of 4% growth. it's one of these things, sure, i'm pro 4% growth. i would love there to be 4% growth. the economic theory here seems to be essentially the thing restraining american growth is americans don't work enough. they are pushing out the productivity frontier, the frontier of the possible capacity of the economy that the thing keeping us tethered back is on the labor side as opposed to investment in capital and things like that. >> in fact it -- this kind of view does not consider the reality has one of the reasons
you don't have enough growth is the vast middle class of america doesn't have the purchasing power to keep the economy going. all the money and all the wealth has been going to the very top. this is the great republican blinder. they simply are unable to see the reality of what's going on, that wages and wage stagnation is the key problem in the economy and that trickle down economics of a kind we've practiced since ronald reagan really has not worked. in fact, it's been a huge failure. the goal is not growth per se. the goal is good jobs with good wages. if republicans don't understand that and jeb bush doesn't understand that, you know, we are in trouble. >> right. we should also know that americans work a lot. you can line up oacb chart. we work a lot of hours. americans are not lay about. >> the latest data show we work harder than extraordinarily industrious japanese. we don't even get vacations.
the typical american gets two weeks vacation, typical european five weeks, in japan four weeks. nobody work as hard as americans. for jeb bush to say we need to work harder in order to grow the economy so people at the top can do better is really strikes -- is not only absurd and not only out of touch but really misleading and dangerous thinking. robert reich, hard worker. polling in place, why there's no escaping the donald. >> one of those incidents in new york that governor andrew cuomo ♪ ♪ ♪ it took tim morehouse years to master the perfect lunge. but only one attempt to master depositing
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signed an executive order which will give eric schneiderman power to investigate people killed by police officers. joining me now is a man schneiderman appointed to oversee the the office. attorney for justice alvin bragg. good to have you here. >> thank you. >> how do you understand the job. >> i understand it's a job that's very important, very significant. we want to restore the public confidence in the administration of justice in these type of cases and that's what we're setting out to do. >> i sat across from marilyn mosby the day she announced charges in baltimore and i said to her, are you ready for what they are going to come at you with because you announced these charges. she said i'm ready. we have seen an incredible campaign waged against her, to tarnish her, politically pressure her. are you ready for what's going to happen if and when a tragedy strikes that you're going to
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why it was necessary. >> as the attorney general said and others said, it was a real erosion in public trust. i think we saw that in protest. as you mentioned, commentators, lots of people talking about what is happening in these cases in terms of nonindictments, nonprosecutions. so really the move to a special prosecutor here in new york is one to restore confidence. in terms of having a prosecutor and attorney general and myself and arguing it, take up these cases, because we're not dealing with the police on a day-to-day basis. so really i think that's the concern. it's a perception. >> there's a sort of arm's length here because you, mr. bragg, you don't every day, for instance, rely on officers to come in and make cases, check investigations, have a constant working relationship with them
which a lot of people think it makes it very difficult for these cases to be brought. >> exactly. >> there's this new study out, i thought it was fascinating, women network about prosecutors around the country, across the country were white, 79% were white men. white men make up only 31% of the population in the u.s. you're from new york city, right, from harlem? >> yes. >> how important do you think it is that we diversify the ranks of prosecutors' offices? >> i think it's incredibly important. i talk to high school students, college students, law students trying to promote the profession as a general matter. i think we need a more diverse bar across the spectrum, not just prosecutors. in terms of prosecutors, solid obligation, we need the bar, prosecutors, judges to reflect the diversity of our society. it matters, it might be in the
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as the governor pointed out in march he passed extensive legislation, gay marriage legalized, minimum wage raised, death penalty abolished and undocumented immigrants allowed to receive driver's licenses. yesterday the governor offered up his plan for debt-free college. today a white paper which lays out ambitious approach to bringing enforcement. joining me now maryland governor martin o'malley. governor, can you tell me how important you think banking reform is and whether you think dodd/frank failed in this respect? >> i think it's critically important. when you have people like paul volcker still seeing mega banks on wall street pose a serious risk and threat to the american economy, this is work that is incomplete. we have not followed through on what the people expected us to
do as a party when it comes to reigning in reckless behavior on wall street. we've allowed too long two standards of justice, one for well connected and elites of wall street and another for the rest of us. it's not right and people are angry about it. >> why is that the the case? why did this job not get done? >> this job didn't get done because of years of this sort of acceptance of a culture where we had a coziness between regulators and the industry that they are supposed to regulate. look, there are 6500 some banks in the united states of america. most land and do business in the real economy. you have a tiny small group of mega banks that are apparently too big to jail, too big to fail, too big even to manage. if they get to that level of big, then they are too big and need to be broken up. we still have not followed through on this and we need to. we need to step up. what's happened in our nation over the last several years is that the concentration of wealth
has so intimidated political power in washington that they have created different rules for themselves when it comes to risky behavior on wall street while the rest of us have to operate by other rules. that, chris, is not capitalism. that's the anti-thesis of capitalism. >> let me ask you about your record in maryland. you look for candidates of race and you've got as much a record of governing, particularly in the democratic field as anyone. >> thank you. >> you were mayor of american city, governor of maryland. a lot of stuff got done while you were governor. >> i believe government should actually work. >> here is the thing, though. when you were leaving office your approval rating, job approval rating in maryland was low. it was down to around 40, 41%. you're a person you had sort of groomed as your successor ended up losing that election. i wonder what lessons you learned from the end of your tenure there about kind of making progressive change, implementing reform in a way that doesn't sort of lead to backlash?
>> well, i wasn't on the ballot this year. what i've learned, chris, is that you always have to defend your record. you have to constantly explain to the people you serve why you're doing what you're doing. it's all about giving our children the skills and the tools they need to be winners in a changing economy. when i did that when i was on the ballot in 2010, we were re-elected with twice the margin as four years before. so that's the lesson that i think all democrats should learn. look, don't run away from progressive values. don't run away from the tough decisions you have to make to advance those goals and values and make them real. i'm the only candidate in this race for democratic party's nomination for president that has 15 years of executive experience, pulling people together to get important things done. that's what i intend to do as president. >> have you been surprised by the nature of the policy pronouncement from the hillary clinton campaign, the
positioning politically which really does seem to be quite progressive at least in this early going and a whole variety of issues from immigration, posting the wages and productivity, is that a surprise to you? >> chris, when i decided to run for president of the united states, i set out to offer the ideas that would actually serve our national interest. that's what i'm going to continue to do. the other day we advanced a plan, pretty detailed plan for making college affordable and debt-free for all families. we advanced the plan to make our nation 100% clean energy powered on our electricity grid by 2050 and we're going to continue to offer the ideas that will move our country forward. what our candidates in this race do or choose not to do or how they position is up to them. for my part, i'm going to move forward with ideas that serve our national interest. >> right. but governor, you're a politician. you've run races. you're a good politician. you've won races people didn't think you could win.
>> thank you, chris. >> you understand, right, the nature of the competitive field, odds against, nothing else sheer fundraising power of hillary clinton in that donner network. where do you see your sort of -- where do you see your path? >> i see my path in answering the yearning that i hear all across our country for new leadership and ability to get things done. i believe that i have the skills, the vision, and the fearlessness of holding progressive values, not apologizing for them and track record of advancing them. i don't put my finger if the wind to follow public opinion i forge new consensus to get things like marriage equality and dream act done, to advance a clean energy future. that's real leadership, new leadership and leadership that can get things done. that's what our country wants because we're not going to fix what's wrong with our economy. by the way, i listened to your segment with robert reich, and i
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donald trump is disputing accounts of a phone call from trump and head of the committee reince priebus. told news priebus urged him to tone down about undocumented immigrants from mexico. other outlets reported he urged trump to tone down, remarks hurting gop. trump said congratulatory. did not dispute asked him about rhetoric but characterized about upbeat and said priebus knows better than to lecture me. the problem is priebus can't control donald trump, his party can't escape him. if you're an elected republican these days you have no choice but weigh in on trump and immigrants and their propensities to rape and murder, a huge headache for gop. today it was john boehner's turn. >> i disagree with mr. trump's comments.
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donald trump backlash continued with a school district canceling a donald trump golf course, dropping trump related navigation codes and perfume maker perfumemania cutting ties with trump which means you, dear viewer, may not be able to purchase success by trump or empire by trump colognes. >> joining me, javier, let me begin with you. you have been one of the key folks talking to various businesses about cutting ties with trump. what have those conversations been like? >> i have to say, chris, my conversations with corporate leaders across the country have been well received. i'm very happy with my corporate friends, univision, macy's and others for severing ties with donald trump. i think it's interesting for every large corporation we are here about there are many other smaller entities and corporations that are leaving
donald trump in droves. by way of example, our organization was looking at two venues in the following 12 months, both donald trump have you not in washington, d.c. we have since decided we will not be going to these properties. in our decision alone, that several million dollars that donald trump will suffer in losses in addition we represent hispanic homes in this country, $486 billion to the economy and do our work through a network of 200 local business associations throughout the united states. already we've heard from more than 25 of our member companies considering trump owned properties for corporate outings, galas, golf outings, even for dinners. all of them are canceling. interesting to me is that we're also hearing, and hearing
frankly more, from nonhispanic organizations, nonhispanic business leaders canceling everything from personal vacations. so i think the tip of the spear is what we're seeing now. this will be prolonged. it will be acute and it will go for quite some time. downstream effect will be significant. >> this brings the question of you wrought definitive piece about trump sort of messing with all of us, to get us to pay attention to him because he might run for president. i think because you ro wrote your piece, i'll show him, i'm going to run for president. here we are, he's at the top of these national polls. a lot of people are like this is preposterous, obviously he won't be president of the united states, will he stay in long enough. i don't know what to make of the phenomenon. >> my working theory and this is still evolving as this is all
happening. my working theory has been over the last few weeks since he got into the race was that he basically backed himself into a corner and now he's kind of taking the plunge without a plan. this only strengthens my theory, i don't think he thought -- i can't imagine he knew going into this race that he was -- this was going to cost him millions and millions of dollars, this was going to be so costly for his business. this was going to permanently do real damage to his brand not politically but in the business world and in the entertainment world. i don't think he knew that going in. the fact that now this is kind of -- the walls are crumbling around him, i think he's kind of just like, well, i've got to stay in now.
i don't know what else to do, right? >> javier, do you worry what he's been saying about immigration, particularly about mexican immigrants, which he keeps saying over and over, the mexican government sending their worst people, et cetera, do you worry that represents a broader set of views than donald trump, people in the party that are buying that? >> no doubt there are people in the base that believe that. i don't think it's fair to use a broad brush when considering the entirety of the republican party. i do believe it is more inclusive, more modernized than that. i'd like to commend governor jeb bush and marco rubio for stepping out strongly in opposition to his views. the reality is the mexican government isn't sending anybody anywhere. people are coming here to work. if you look at the contributions that immigrants make to this country, particularly when you
look at them from an entrepreneurial perspective, consider that one out of every five new companies that started in this country is started by an immigrants, one out of every 10 american workers is employed by an immigrant-owned company. as we stand immigrant owned companies contributed over $780 billion to american economy and the facts go on. i think the facts speak for themselves. it is concerning i see an element of the republican party that appears to be buying into this. i think that would be disastrous quite frankly. >> very quickly, any upside for people to distance themselves from trump and appear moderate. >> absolutely. especially when you consider that the donor class of the republican party is pro immigration. i think you will see certain candidates continue to use him as a foil. >> thank you gentlemen both. that is "all in" for this evening. rachel maddow show starts now. >> thank you at home for joining us tonight. we've got a big, big show for you. we found out late this afternoon that the world cup trophy is coming to the show tonight. literally it is here along with